Erica Allison

The Triberr Break Up: It's Not You, It's Me

Why my relationship with Triberr is coming to an end…

Or, “Why I love Dino Dogan, but not Triberr.”

If you’re not familiar with Triberr it is an invite only community of bloggers. Every time you publish a new post, everyone in your tribe “automagicly” (new word coined by Dino Dogan) tweets it to their followers. I’ve been a member of the tribe known as Anubis now for approximately 10 days.

The concept sounded really exciting for me, I love to be a ‘tester’, and so I thought I’d give it a try.  And this is the part where I explain why I love Dino…he (and his buddy Dan Cristo – that’s them right below)

Image shamelessly taken from the Triberr website

developed this program in an effort to give credit and highlight bloggers and their posts that rarely saw the light of day.  He wanted the rest of us to feel what it must feel like when you are Chris Brogan or Jay Baer or Brian Solis and anything that you post gets automatically retweeted without it ever being read, simply because of who you are. 

That’s a generous spirit he has and I admire him greatly for it.  That’s why I want this post in NO way to be perceived as bashing Dino, Dan, my Triberr Tribe or anyone who hearts Triberr.  This post is about my experience and my struggle to get on board this train and ride it to blogging happy town.

My Thoughts on Triberr

Here are my initial thoughts as someone who is a member of only one tribe and has not yet expanded my reach.  When you join, you are placed into a tribe and then given the option to create 2 or 3 tribes of your own.  I have not done that.  Before I began creating my own tribe, I wanted to make sure I could send the invite and 100% recommend this service /beta project.  Otherwise, why send it?

And so our relationship began:

  1. The first day completely overwhelmed me because I suddenly saw my twitter handle tweeting all of these blog posts from people I did not know (yet) with titles of posts that I had not read. If any of you reading this post know me, you know that I’m a read first (or at least scan it), comment if possible, and then Tweet it kind of girl.  To tweet that which I have not read….well, it makes me nauseous.  Really.
  2. I spent most of that first day scurrying around reading said posts, trying to quickly leave a comment and keep up with the stream.  Also overwhelming.
  3. In my zest to read the posts, I got to know several new bloggers and found them to be very interesting, good writers and all around good eggs.  So, thanks for introducing me to a new audience (a plus, for sure) and a new network.
  4. The next day, my own blog post got into the stream.  Wowza.  I was RT’d like nobody’s business.  I excitedly starting thanking folks to realize, wait, it’s automated…no need.  They do it without knowing they’re doing it.  There’s that uncomfortable feeling again.
  5. I then kept waiting for the Livefyre email to announce a comment on my blog…crickets.  Nothing.  I had 30+ RT (a lot for me) of my blog post but very few comments on the post…a few from my tribe members (thank you!), but on the whole, not much happening.
  6. As I began to comment on and read other tribe members’ posts and follow them on twitter, I saw my number of twitter followers increase (like by 100 in a week – again, a lot for me), but still not a lot going on in the comment department.
  7. Knowing that my content and blogging style have not changed in the last 10 days and that I normally get an average of 5 comments per post (wait for it…that’s good for me), I was surprised to see that my commenting community had decreased, yet my twitter followers had grown.

Some folks might say having a rapid increase in Twitter followers is awesome.  I am not one of them.  I thrive on comments.  I enjoy a good RT, but usually prefer that it be a RT because you’ve read my post, not because it’s me.  I know. That sounds crazy.  Call me a purist.  Call me a prude.   Better yet, call me authentic.

I know the jury is still out for Triberr and all the folks involved, but for me, I think I’m going to have to leave the tribe.  And believe me when I say, “It’s not you, it’s me.”

I’d love to hear your thoughts on this topic.  And I want to say a big Thank You to Dino Dogan who actually read this post before anyone else and encouraged me to post it…a true gent!

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@lauraclick My pleasure. I am amazed at the conversation going on here and so love it! I agree, organic networking and influence building are ideal - and that's what's happening here, ironically, because of Triberr. I think for lots of folks out there, Triberr is achieving exactly what @dino_dogan and @DanCristo envisioned for them - an increased reach and larger network and I think for many of them, they have met and engaged with a whole new crop of folks. I won't rehash why I hopped out, but I will say that I greatly value the experience gained from my very brief time in Triberr. I'm glad that folks are finding it useful and happy for Dino and Dan in their ultimate success with this. It's just not a fit for me. Laura, thanks so much for coming by and engaging! Really appreciate it!

@lauraclick My pleasure. I am amazed at the conversation going on here and so love it! I agree, organic networking and influence building are ideal - and that's what's happening here, ironically, because of Triberr. I think for lots of folks out there, Triberr is achieving exactly what @dino_dogan and @DanCristo envisioned for them - an increased reach and larger network and I think for many of them, they have met and engaged with a whole new crop of folks. I won't rehash why I hopped out, but I will say that I greatly value the experience gained from my very brief time in Triberr. I'm glad that folks are finding it useful and happy for Dino and Dan in their ultimate success with this. It's just not a fit for me. Laura, thanks so much for coming by and engaging! Really appreciate it!

@lauraclick I don't think that you are wrong to question it. One of the reasons that it works for me is because I have to be online all day. It is very easy for me to engage and interact with people on Twitter. The stream they receive from me isn't composed solely of links. Two weeks in no one has complained and I haven't noticed a ton of people unfollowing. But it is use and utility is different for everyone. @ginidietrich

@lauraclick I don't think that you are wrong to question it. One of the reasons that it works for me is because I have to be online all day. It is very easy for me to engage and interact with people on Twitter. The stream they receive from me isn't composed solely of links. Two weeks in no one has complained and I haven't noticed a ton of people unfollowing. But it is use and utility is different for everyone. @ginidietrich

@lauraclick @TheJackB @ginidietrich Laura, I did my write up on it. I have functionally dumped it two EXCEPT for a few folks that I trust, but rarely is anything being shared. I find I am having issues with triber.it links...

@TheJackB Ok - perhaps fishy was the wrong word. I like how @ginidietrich described it - "icky". I just don't want to recommend posts if I haven't read them. Even though there are a lot of bloggers who I admire and RT regularly, I don't RT EVERY post. I'm selective about who and what I RT because I view it as an endorsement. I don't take that lightly. And, I'm not sure how my audience would feel if I was just tweeting the same blogs all day every day. How does that help them? Maybe I'm too quick to judge without trying it, but I just don't think it's the right approach for me.

@TheJackB Ok - perhaps fishy was the wrong word. I like how @ginidietrich described it - "icky". I just don't want to recommend posts if I haven't read them. Even though there are a lot of bloggers who I admire and RT regularly, I don't RT EVERY post. I'm selective about who and what I RT because I view it as an endorsement. I don't take that lightly. And, I'm not sure how my audience would feel if I was just tweeting the same blogs all day every day. How does that help them? Maybe I'm too quick to judge without trying it, but I just don't think it's the right approach for me.

@lauraclick I don't know that I would call it fishy. There is a manual setting that allows us to review the tweets that go out prior to sending them. I think that one of the keys to comfort and success is to be cautious in who you invite into your tribes. It is not foolproof but it helps to minimize the potential issues.

@lauraclick I don't know that I would call it fishy. There is a manual setting that allows us to review the tweets that go out prior to sending them. I think that one of the keys to comfort and success is to be cautious in who you invite into your tribes. It is not foolproof but it helps to minimize the potential issues.

I haven't tried Tribrr and, at this point, I probably won't. You confirmed all of my sneaking suspicions about it. When someone explained it to me, I thought it smelled fishy and not something I wanted to get into. The idea of tweeting stuff that I have haven't read just doesn't feel right to me. I love finding new people to connect with and discovering new blogs to read, but it sounds like there are a lot of downsides for that one benefit. I'm all about trying new things, but this just doesn't sound like it's for me. As much as I would like the RTs and traffic, I'm more interested in building my influence organically from people who actually want to read my stuff. Thanks for sharing your experience!

I haven't tried Tribrr and, at this point, I probably won't. You confirmed all of my sneaking suspicions about it. When someone explained it to me, I thought it smelled fishy and not something I wanted to get into. The idea of tweeting stuff that I have haven't read just doesn't feel right to me. I love finding new people to connect with and discovering new blogs to read, but it sounds like there are a lot of downsides for that one benefit. I'm all about trying new things, but this just doesn't sound like it's for me. As much as I would like the RTs and traffic, I'm more interested in building my influence organically from people who actually want to read my stuff. Thanks for sharing your experience!

@JKtheHustler JK, great to see you over here and it sounds like you're going about joining Triberr in just the right way...figuring it out and gathering the data ahead of time. I think with the right mix of bloggers, and using the new manual mode, you'll probably find the right groove for you. You can't ask for better support than @dino_dogan and @DanCristo !

@DanCristo Thanks, Dan! So appreciate your updates and participation in this discussion. This has been my most favorite post ever!

Just an update for everyone. Manual mode (http://triberr.com/blog/you-say-jump-triberr-says-manual/) is available to the public. With your tribe in manual mode you'll have complete control over what is sent to your steam. I hope everyone likes it! We'll have a more detailed write up about it coming out shortly on the Triberr blog.

Just an update for everyone. Manual mode (http://triberr.com/blog/you-say-jump-triberr-says-manual/) is available to the public. With your tribe in manual mode you'll have complete control over what is sent to your steam. I hope everyone likes it! We'll have a more detailed write up about it coming out shortly on the Triberr blog.

@dino_dogan Dino - thanks fro the reply (quick reply). Makes perfect sense. I know I have a crew of folks that I'd RT no matter what. And some that I'd like to review their work first. So, with that said, it makes sense now why to have different tribes. I'm getting it...I'm getting it. I tell you Dino, I'm just slow sometimes. But thank you for breaking it on down!

@dino_dogan Dino - thanks fro the reply (quick reply). Makes perfect sense. I know I have a crew of folks that I'd RT no matter what. And some that I'd like to review their work first. So, with that said, it makes sense now why to have different tribes. I'm getting it...I'm getting it. I tell you Dino, I'm just slow sometimes. But thank you for breaking it on down!

@JKtheHustler Hey JK...thats a really easy thing to answer...find a tribe that you like with people you know and trust. And then build your own tribes with people you love and trust. Sit back, relax and enjoy as all your tribesmen share their reach with you and you with them. Ba-Goosh! lol

Hello Erica, Great timing! I got an invite just this week to Triberr and my biggest concern was "what happens if I don't want to auto RT"? And, from the looks of it, this has been addressed with the Manual Mode. But still, considering that I have to go and review the post anyway, I'm not trying to figure out whree Triberr still comes into play. I'll admit that I haven't spent a bunch of time with it yet...but those were my initial thoughts. And, I'm glad I read through the comments because the conversation is Rich!

Hello Erica, Great timing! I got an invite just this week to Triberr and my biggest concern was "what happens if I don't want to auto RT"? And, from the looks of it, this has been addressed with the Manual Mode. But still, considering that I have to go and review the post anyway, I'm not trying to figure out whree Triberr still comes into play. I'll admit that I haven't spent a bunch of time with it yet...but those were my initial thoughts. And, I'm glad I read through the comments because the conversation is Rich!

@ginidietrich @3HatsComm @EricaAllison Triberr now has a manual tweet function which allows you to keep tweets in your que until you've read the posts and released the tweets yourself. Its under settings in your tribes. Enjoy :-) We will have the official announcement on Monday. Thank you for helping us fine tune the service.

@ginidietrich @3HatsComm @EricaAllison Triberr now has a manual tweet function which allows you to keep tweets in your que until you've read the posts and released the tweets yourself. Its under settings in your tribes. Enjoy :-) We will have the official announcement on Monday. Thank you for helping us fine tune the service.

@ginidietrich @EricaAllison Adding PostRank to "the list."

@ginidietrich Out of the PARK??????!!!!! I agree, the content on this one was different than most of my others and the comment count alone moved this up to my most popular post. And yes, many of the folks commenting are/were in my tribe.

@ginidietrich Well naturally, you'd RT dannybrown , who wouldn't? My problem was that I had lots of RTs going out of posts that I not only had not read, but did not really know the author. They turned out to be a big mix of folks, all with really unique writing styles, but not all in line with what I usually 'curate' and tweet about. I knew you'd be giving it a good month and I likely should have as well, but I continued to have that same 'icky' feeling you described. Now that @dino_dogan and @DanCristo have made some really concrete changes and give users the option of a 'manual' mode, I think that (and creating my own, smaller tribe of trusted peeps I know and read) will go a long way in diminishing my issues. Since you mention the analytics, they are extremely important to me as well...problem was mine weren't set up correctly in order to evaluate from that perspective. They are now and I may re-test again in the future (just saw your PostRank recommendation). I also just checked my Klout score and it did in fact increase 3 points (up to 53 now - woot woot) - had not even entered my mind on that one, but it makes perfect sense since my 'reach' had definitely jumped and my twitter followers had increased. Lots to think about! Thanks for adding another element to it!

@ginidietrich Well naturally, you'd RT dannybrown , who wouldn't? My problem was that I had lots of RTs going out of posts that I not only had not read, but did not really know the author. They turned out to be a big mix of folks, all with really unique writing styles, but not all in line with what I usually 'curate' and tweet about. I knew you'd be giving it a good month and I likely should have as well, but I continued to have that same 'icky' feeling you described. Now that @dino_dogan and @DanCristo have made some really concrete changes and give users the option of a 'manual' mode, I think that (and creating my own, smaller tribe of trusted peeps I know and read) will go a long way in diminishing my issues. Since you mention the analytics, they are extremely important to me as well...problem was mine weren't set up correctly in order to evaluate from that perspective. They are now and I may re-test again in the future (just saw your PostRank recommendation). I also just checked my Klout score and it did in fact increase 3 points (up to 53 now - woot woot) - had not even entered my mind on that one, but it makes perfect sense since my 'reach' had definitely jumped and my twitter followers had increased. Lots to think about! Thanks for adding another element to it!

@3HatsComm @EricaAllison I'm a HUGE numbers geek. And geek it is. If I were blogging just to blog, I probably wouldn't care so much (I care how many people read my cooking blog, but don't pay attention to the other stats). But we have very specific goals, as they relate to growing our community so I pay really close attention. A fun (and free) tool to add to your repertoire, if you're interested, is PostRank.

@johnfalchetto Thanks, John! I'm happy to be a member of your tribe (Triberr or no Triberr)! I also had worries about content and mostly because I was in a tribe of folks that I had never read before. As I've said to Dan and Dino, I'll keep an open mind to forming my own smaller tribe and using the 'manual' mode, but for now, I'm going to 'see other people', he he...

@ginidietrich @EricaAllison Gotta agree.. and confess that I don't spend near enough time looking at conversions and bounce rates, certainly more for me to consider.

@EricaAllison P.S. I'd be curious to see your stats on the conversation of this compared to other blog posts. I've been reading you since the beginning and you completely hit this one out of the park! Some of it is MOST DEFINITELY content, but I'd be wiling to be some of it is your tribe.

@johnfalchetto And it'd be really nice if there were "inbreeding" because I'd love to have you guys in my tribe. I get why they don't, but it certainly leaves some people out.

So my experience has been the exact same as what you describe in steps 1-4. I FREAKED OUT at first because I didn't know how I was being RT'd for RT'ing dannybrown blog when I hadn't even read it yet. But then I realized it was Triberr and it was automated. It felt really icky to me. But I haven't quit (yet) because I was placed in a tribe with people whose stuff I read anyway and would more than likely RT. I had a few people ask me for invites and I got them into the system, but not into one of my tribes. Not because I don't like them or read their blogs, but because the stuff they blog about would seem completely out of left field if I started tweeting them. It's stuff I enjoy, but not stuff that's characteristic of me tweeting. I think the only real way this works is if it's with your real tribe. So put that on the back burner for a second. I also want to give it 30 days (April 8 will be a month) before I make a decision on it. I do know our unique visits have have increased, our bounce rates have decreased, and our time spent on the site has increased. My Klout score has increased (not that it matters, but it's something I'm tracking for this experiment) and my Twitter followers have increased. We're launching a new business on May 1 so my goals for blogging and Twitter are going to change really quickly. For us, broadening our reach as quickly as possible is going to be really important. Triberr may be the right tool to do that. I don't know yet. I'm leaning more toward where you are, Erica. But I'll blog about it after 30 days and let you know!

So my experience has been the exact same as what you describe in steps 1-4. I FREAKED OUT at first because I didn't know how I was being RT'd for RT'ing dannybrown blog when I hadn't even read it yet. But then I realized it was Triberr and it was automated. It felt really icky to me. But I haven't quit (yet) because I was placed in a tribe with people whose stuff I read anyway and would more than likely RT. I had a few people ask me for invites and I got them into the system, but not into one of my tribes. Not because I don't like them or read their blogs, but because the stuff they blog about would seem completely out of left field if I started tweeting them. It's stuff I enjoy, but not stuff that's characteristic of me tweeting. I think the only real way this works is if it's with your real tribe. So put that on the back burner for a second. I also want to give it 30 days (April 8 will be a month) before I make a decision on it. I do know our unique visits have have increased, our bounce rates have decreased, and our time spent on the site has increased. My Klout score has increased (not that it matters, but it's something I'm tracking for this experiment) and my Twitter followers have increased. We're launching a new business on May 1 so my goals for blogging and Twitter are going to change really quickly. For us, broadening our reach as quickly as possible is going to be really important. Triberr may be the right tool to do that. I don't know yet. I'm leaning more toward where you are, Erica. But I'll blog about it after 30 days and let you know!

HI Erica, thanks for this I really appreciate your frank talk and approach to Triberr. I had this discussion with ginidietrich when it first started and my worry was more about tweeting content which I didn't approve of. So far I have seen great result with Triberr interms of traffic and comments. Is it all because of Triberr, that's the hard part isn't it? In any case Triberr or no Triberr, I will always be a member of your tribe :)

HI Erica, thanks for this I really appreciate your frank talk and approach to Triberr. I had this discussion with ginidietrich when it first started and my worry was more about tweeting content which I didn't approve of. So far I have seen great result with Triberr interms of traffic and comments. Is it all because of Triberr, that's the hard part isn't it? In any case Triberr or no Triberr, I will always be a member of your tribe :)

@emilybinder @DanCristo @faybiz Thanks, Dan for clarifying for everyone! I so appreciate the attention you're giving this topic and I'm sure everyone else does as well! Emily and Todd, thanks for stopping by and for chiming in!

@emilybinder @DanCristo @faybiz Thanks, Dan for clarifying for everyone! I so appreciate the attention you're giving this topic and I'm sure everyone else does as well! Emily and Todd, thanks for stopping by and for chiming in!

@DanCristo @faybiz Manual Mode sounds like the perfect solution - I needed editorial capabilities, Anubis was variegated and huge, while I'm definitely a niche blogger. I'll have to reactivate into the tribe now and test the MM out. Thanks for the update.

@faybiz @DanCristo Faybiz, if putting triberr on manual mode meant that it only aggregated blog posts for you, then yes, it would just be another RSS reader. But the big difference is that you still have a duty to your tribe to share their stuff, you'll just share it AFTER you've vetted it for quality, and perhaps have commented. If you're not sharing your tribes stuff, then Karma will bite you and you'll get booted, which means your stuff won't get shared by the rest of the tribe. That's what makes our little system so special :) Now, you always have the ability to remove any posts from your tweet queue that you don't want to share. In fact, this is available in automagic mode as well. The difference is that manual mode will give you more time to read and approve it, where as with automagic mode you may only have an hour or so before it gets sent out to your followers. It's really not changing the core functionality or concept of the service, we're just building in more time for users to actually read their friends posts before they send. Hope that clears it up.Dan

@faybiz @DanCristo Faybiz, if putting triberr on manual mode meant that it only aggregated blog posts for you, then yes, it would just be another RSS reader. But the big difference is that you still have a duty to your tribe to share their stuff, you'll just share it AFTER you've vetted it for quality, and perhaps have commented. If you're not sharing your tribes stuff, then Karma will bite you and you'll get booted, which means your stuff won't get shared by the rest of the tribe. That's what makes our little system so special :) Now, you always have the ability to remove any posts from your tweet queue that you don't want to share. In fact, this is available in automagic mode as well. The difference is that manual mode will give you more time to read and approve it, where as with automagic mode you may only have an hour or so before it gets sent out to your followers. It's really not changing the core functionality or concept of the service, we're just building in more time for users to actually read their friends posts before they send. Hope that clears it up. Dan

@DanCristo Dan, doesn't this turn Triberr into just one more reader functionally?I think I am with Erica and probably a few others on this. I like this conceptually.

@DanCristo Dan, doesn't this turn Triberr into just one more reader functionally? I think I am with Erica and probably a few others on this. I like this conceptually.

@ExpertVagabond Good point! I hadn't thought about trying to engage a new audience. Now I'm bummed I left Anubis. LOL Can someone invite me back?

@1plus1wednesday You're right, the key is to check out the blogs before joining. I was put into a blog and didn't know them first. I would not recommend that - even though the group on the whole is a great one - I just didn't to control that part first. Controlling that and having the ability to read the posts first is something that would make it more functional for me.

@Faryna Love the hugs and laughter! You mistake me for a problogger (blushing); I'm just a biz owner who blogs. I'm in agreement with you, Dan and Dino are on to something here and yes, the Anubis tribe name is a stinker, but it's also been a useful experiment in beta testing and building community. Thanks again for your thoughts on this one!

@TheJackB You're right! This has been a very active, very healthy discussion and I know that @dino_dogan and @DanCristo appreciate it. Check out their post re: "manual mode" http://triberr.com/blog/ Awesome group! Thanks

@TheJackB You're right! This has been a very active, very healthy discussion and I know that @dino_dogan and @DanCristo appreciate it. Check out their post re: "manual mode" http://triberr.com/blog/ Awesome group! Thanks

@DanCristo Batman, nicely done! I appreciate the quick response to my feedback and others and think you're on to something with the changes. I'm still going to wait and see and yes, I'll do a follow-up post to discuss my 'one that got away'!

@DanCristo Well Bruce, I mean Dan.. I like that you are already responding to feedback and making changes, the #1 for me: control. Or as you call it, manual mode. The problem there would still be I lose all that time I would have saved by manually configuring, scheduling those RTs (which is what I do anyway); I still have others randomly RT my stuff for me (nice) but then, I'm not always repaying the favor in kind. I know I'd have similar experiences to @EricaAllison just run around trying to comment, reply and thank everyone, the embarrassment factor if I thought some post of mine was crap. IDK I can totally see how this would work for some, but don't see it for me.

Way to break it gently @EricaAllison very much "it's not you, it's me." Interesting to read your experiences with this. As I've investigated a little more, I've found that it looks very promising and rewarding for some bloggers but it's not for me. It's a fine line for time management and efficiencies and I am not not an 'automation' or 'set it and forget it' type of tweeter. I do at least scan the posts I share and I do TRY to offer more when I RT, make that link of yours pop so that MY followers want to click and read that post. FWIW.

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